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  Jwsurvey and Trey Bundy

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  good evening, or morning, whatever the case may be.. just a couple of points about the jw monthly broadcast, and the "two witness" rule.

  i'm tired, so i'm going to be brief.. 1) i had a nice conversation with trey bundy about the flaws in the wt's "logic" concerning their pet scripture in deuteronomy.

  in short, their rnwt ( the most accurate translation of all time, because the fds were involved...) says that no one person can be convicted on the testimony of one witness.

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  Good job DD!

  I agree, I think the WT just tries to 'distract' with all of these "we stand for the scriptures' tactics. (red herring)

  What are they realllllly doing?

  Well, when you listen to Geoffrey Jackson, during the ARC investigation, he answers the judge's question of "IF you MADE us report it to you, IF it WAS a law, we of COURSE would report child abuse IF it was MANDATORY." (basically)

  Why? Because you are right DD, they don't need to 'convict' anyone on one witness. They CAN investigate with only one witness...

  AAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNDDDDDDD

  There is NO scripture in the Bible that says "you cannot report it to the police!" In principle, Rom 13:1, 2 says  "Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God. 2 Therefore he who opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of God" This would be 'perfect cover' for their 'new light' .

  
  

  Personally, I think the lawyers for WT & the GB would looooooovvve a way out, it if it was "mandatory to report". It might seem like they don't love it, but it is a lot like blood transfusions.

  Back in the day, Children's Hospital in Oakland had a standing arrangement with the judges, they could order a transfusion for a minor. in a flash, parents could do nothing about it.. After a while, witness parents could protest the state's involvement, but feel relieved that their child's live was saved.

  The same thing might happen if state "mandatory reporting" laws were changed to require clergy to be mandated reporters. Stay tuned!......

  The GB do not want to be sued, or said that "they are going against the scriptures." If they changed the "two witness rule" they would be so sued by so many people. Parents: "IF you would have let me investigate, if you would have told the police all these OTHER kids would not have been hurt!" Listen to the abuse victims as to why they are coming forward. A big part of the reason is to protect other kids.

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  Reveal News Article: Jehovah’s Witnesses double down on Scripture used to ignore abuse by Trey Bundy

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.revealnews.org/blog/jehovahs-witnesses-double-down-on-scripture-used-to-ignore-abuse/.

  jehovah’s witnesses double down on scripture used to ignore abuse.

  by trey bundy / november 9, 2017. gary breaux, a senior jehovah's witness official, speaks on the religion’s official internet video channel.

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  Want to know how "the world" reacts to this story???

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddmoEWva03k
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  Another sex abuser

  by Honeybucket in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i'm tyoing this up on my phone, so forgive me if i don't give all i do or spell anything correctly.

  today i saw in the local newspaper in skagit valley washington a local man was sentenced to prison for child pornography.

  at firat i wasn't i terested in the article until i saw the defendants name.

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  Thank you for the insight Tiki, and so sorry you had to live through that!
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  "Jehovah's Witnesses' withheld info will cost them..."

  by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  latest perspective of the san diego reader on wts loosing its $4000 per day sanction appeal.... https://m.sandiegoreader.com/news/2017/nov/10/ticker-jehovahs-witnesses-withheld-info-4000-day/?templates=mobile.

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  In a second paragraph before the end of the article it quotes Irwin Zalkin as saying, 'it is his firm's position that sanctions should have begun in June when the judge Richard Strauss first imposed them.'

  However, although these penalties are minor in comparison to the millions WT could have lost in the previous declaration of a court, the court documents say that the court costs incurred by Padron (during WTs appeal process) will be reimbursed by WT.
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  Watchtower Loses an Appeal

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  publication court of appeal, fourth appellate district division one state of california osbaldo padron, plaintiff and respondent, v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc., defendant and appellant.findingwatchtower has abused the discovery process.

  it has zealously advocated its position and lost multiple times.

  yet, it cavalierly refuses to acknowledge the consequences of these losses and the validity of the court's orders requiring it to produce documents in response to request number 12. and, in a further act of defiance, watchtower informed the court that it would not comply with the march 25, 2016 order 39 requiring it to produce documents responsive to request number 12. the court, following lopez, supra, 246 cal.app.4th 566, as an incremental step toward terminating sanctions if watchtower persists in its unjustified conduct, imposed monetary sanctions.

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  Per the courts orders: Only Zalkin and staff are allowed to view these documents.

  What would be ABSOLUTELY great is if one of Zalkin's staff had a photographic memory...

  Even tho they cannot 'discuss it' or 'reveal' information, they would be able to repeat the same process, obtain the files.

  Aaaaand, when getting new clients, if they could remember PERPETRATOR'S names, they would know their odds of winning.
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  Reveal News Article: Jehovah’s Witnesses double down on Scripture used to ignore abuse by Trey Bundy

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.revealnews.org/blog/jehovahs-witnesses-double-down-on-scripture-used-to-ignore-abuse/.

  jehovah’s witnesses double down on scripture used to ignore abuse.

  by trey bundy / november 9, 2017. gary breaux, a senior jehovah's witness official, speaks on the religion’s official internet video channel.

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  Great news today, with WT loosing it's appeal (their stubborn "we don't obey anyone but Jehovah" has just cost them $4,000 a day) and this article from Reveal News highlighted that

  "Breaux’s defense of the two-witness rule comes as legal scrutiny of Jehovah’s Witnesses child abuse policies is ramping up around the world. An investigation by Reveal from The Center for Investigative Reporting found that Watchtower policies dating back to at least 1989 direct elders to keep child abuse secret from law enforcement and members of their congregations."

  As the court itself said:

  Here, Watchtower has abused the discovery process. It has zealously advocated its position and lost multiple times. Yet, it cavalierly refuses to acknowledge the consequences of these losses and the validity of the court's orders requiring it to produce documents in response to request number 12. And, in a further act of defiance, Watchtower informed the court that it would not comply with the March 25, 2016 order 39 requiring it to produce documents responsive to request number 12. The court, following Lopez, supra, 246 Cal.App.4th 566, as an incremental step toward terminating sanctions if Watchtower persists in its unjustified conduct, imposed monetary sanctions. On the record before us, we are satisfied that the superior court's order was not arbitrary, capricious, or whimsical. To the contrary, the superior court has shown great patience and flexibility in dealing with a recalcitrant litigant who refuses to follow valid orders and merely reiterates losing arguments. We therefore affirm.
  
  

  This two witness rule just may be the death of them.
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  Highwood Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses v. Randy Wall

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.scc-csc.ca/case-dossier/info/webcastview-webdiffusionvue-eng.aspx?cas=37273&id=2017%2f2017-11-02--37273&date=2017-11-02.

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  Thank you Orphan Crow... that is what i was thinking also, you explain it so well..

  You should be there to help the lawyer for Randy out. Really, it takes an informed EX-JW to be able to sort thru and demolish the polite, sincere sounding half truths of WT lawyers.
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  Highwood Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses v. Randy Wall

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.scc-csc.ca/case-dossier/info/webcastview-webdiffusionvue-eng.aspx?cas=37273&id=2017%2f2017-11-02--37273&date=2017-11-02.

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  Procedure?
  

  "Love your neighbor as yourself"

  What is the 'procedure' of 'loving your neighbor' when a person a person is baptized into a religion as a minor, then as an adult finds teachings and conduct contrary to their conscience?

  Procedures over love, doesn't it come down to that? What do they value most?
  
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  Highwood Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses v. Randy Wall

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.scc-csc.ca/case-dossier/info/webcastview-webdiffusionvue-eng.aspx?cas=37273&id=2017%2f2017-11-02--37273&date=2017-11-02.

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  My questions? We don't "shun"?..... we just 'don't associate with them on a spiritual level'?

  (check 2 minute 30 seconds)

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxDAY5lVwuI

  Let's have the court watch this video, and ask the WT lawyers what if this girl was a person baptized at a young age, got sexually abused, saw the hypocrisy of the cover-ups, could not live healthily in this situation and left?

  This is what ARC, Judge Peter McCllelan told the WT that this was cruel to treat a person in such a manner.

  Or "what if this girl had just been in an auto accident? was in the hospital? how would the parents know? what if she was ill? needed help? Is this what you call "not spiritual contact, but normal family relations continue?" Not!
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  Highwood Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses v. Randy Wall

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  http://www.scc-csc.ca/case-dossier/info/webcastview-webdiffusionvue-eng.aspx?cas=37273&id=2017%2f2017-11-02--37273&date=2017-11-02.

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  The WT said (basically) "we are just a religion, we are not a 'court' or taking over the judicial process"...... What do they call this 'spiritual process to help this poor man to see his errors?'

  A JUDICIAL COMMITTEE